Marsha:
What are these conceptual patterns like?  Images or pieces of 
images.  Auditory?  Words?  Certainly not dictionary-like 
definitions.  Smell.  Taste.  I can't quite get it.  It's there, but 
out of reach.  I think there's physical aspect.  Emotions?  Maybe as 
simple as good or bad.  Since everything is connected to everything 
how far would it go.  If the hooves of a zebra are like those of my 
horse, would they be part of a zebra pattern?  If I spent hours 
grooming a horse would the experience of touching the horse become 
part of the zebra pattern?   There's many questions I have about 
these patterns.  -  How might patterns be different in composition 
from one individual to the next?  How would sensing-type individual's 
patterns differ from thinking-type individual's patterns?  So, many 
questions?


woods:
    I'm not concentrating on this mental world, but I'm concentrating 
on value, not mental.  This we depart.
    I do wonder if you think that "everything is connected to everything" 
is the same as saying 'everything is the same'.

Marsha:
Yes, change seems most definitely an attribute of spovs.
Time?  There's something said in Nagarjuna's MKK about time, I will 
need to read again.  Since Einstein time is relative.  Seems to me 
I've read somewhere there is past and future, but no present.  In 
some cases time is directional.  In some cases time is not 
directional.  I don't know how time might be an attribute of static 
patterns of value.
Here there's a need for quietness, or the possibility of overload.



woods:
listening...



woods


      
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