Platt, Andre --
[Andre, quoting the Tao]:
'The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named [it] is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.
The named is the mother of ten thousand things.'
I may be going off on my rockers now but suggest an
interpretation of this:
The first line refers to Quality... this fits (Undefinable).
Second line refers to DQ/SQ?
The third line refers to SQ?
The fourth line refers to DQ?
This leads me to think that the MoQ is also a trance state.
It is a reflection/interpretation of Quality but not Quality itself.
[Platt]:
Good point. The MOQ as a rigid interpretation of experience,
like any other single-minded conceptual framework, would
qualify as a trance state. But here's the thing about the MOQ.
It says that reality is prior to conception and is therefore
immediate, intuitive, undeliberate and involuntary. To me
the word "trance" assumes a conceptual framework of some
sort that filters direct experience. So in that way I would
distinguish the MOQ from being a trance state, just as I would
distinguish the mystic understanding of reality (ineffable) from
the conventional one (symbolic)
What do you think?
I think we should be more cautious when labeling perception and thought
processes. A "trance" is commonly understood to be a state of suspended
animation, profound abstraction or absorption. Our experience of reality,
or even our interpretation of its systemic "framework", doesn't require a
hypnotic state of mind. After all, if we are walking around in a trance
just to have experience, what esoteric state must we enter in order to think
intuitively, as in philosophical conceptualization?
Also, while Andre's interpretation of the Tao prose fits the MoQ paradigm,
it can equally as well be interpreted to fit the ontology of Essentialism.
Thus ...
The first line refers to Absolute Essence.
The second line refers to identity or selfness (proprietary awareness)
The third line refers to causation and process (objectivized beingness)
The final line refers to the coincidence of diversity (i.e., the "mother"
source)
Essentially yours,
Ham
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