Minor aside ... Chris, This is the root of a problem I have with making any clear distinction between social & intellectual levels, and have a habit of thinking the "socio-intellectual-cultural-level" ... the level where symbolic communication prevails in it's many varied and interconnected patterns.
The level where people hurl "intellectual" "new-age" "conservative" "socialist" "post-modern" as a terms of abuse :-) Ian On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Christoffer Ivarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> From: X Acto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> ?The Quality concept" Arete", >> as you stated above was replaced by SOM. Following this statement >> you post: >> "The intellectual "carbon" that built the MOQ is >> the Quality Idea and this is intellectual and will remain intellectual" >> >> First you say Quality or Arete is social and is replaced by SOM the >> (intellectual level?)then you say >> Quality is an intellectual pattern. >> I ask, which is it? is Quality social or intellectual?? > > > The " Arete" Pirsig talks about in ZMM must indeed be a social level value - > it seems Pirsig talks about it as though it was more similar to The Tao or > something along that line, but it seems far more likely that what the > sophists talked about when they said rhetoric was the only way of judging > people and "truth" etc and the " Arete" talked about is things valued by > the social level. > > Indeed the sophists activity was probably motivated by a mix of social > values and intellectual ones - but "Truth" as we know it had not been > established as a firm concept yet, so it was mixed up. Then enters Socrates > and the Western World is born. Literally. Slow birth-process perhaps. But > still. > > Just passing by > //Chris > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
