yy, I hear you Ian. For all practical purposes talking about the
"socio-intellectual-cultural-level" when talking about things we have around
us as originating from some level might be a good thing. However I still
don't see any real problem in identifying Truth as the core value of the
intellectual level.
The only problem would be that that word "truth" originates from this
particular socio-intellectual-cultural sphere and it will be viewed and
talked about differently in other such spheres. The core value, I believe,
is the same though.
Well, I'd better get back to the honourable David Hume now -
Have a Good one
From: "Ian Glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MD] In and out of intellect.
Minor aside ... Chris,
This is the root of a problem I have with making any clear distinction
between social & intellectual levels, and have a habit of thinking the
"socio-intellectual-cultural-level" ... the level where symbolic
communication prevails in it's many varied and interconnected
patterns.
The level where people hurl "intellectual" "new-age" "conservative"
"socialist" "post-modern" as a terms of abuse :-)
Ian
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Christoffer Ivarsson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The " Arete" Pirsig talks about in ZMM must indeed be a social level
value -
it seems Pirsig talks about it as though it was more similar to The Tao
or
something along that line, but it seems far more likely that what the
sophists talked about when they said rhetoric was the only way of judging
people and "truth" etc and the " Arete" talked about is things valued by
the social level.
Indeed the sophists activity was probably motivated by a mix of social
values and intellectual ones - but "Truth" as we know it had not been
established as a firm concept yet, so it was mixed up. Then enters
Socrates
and the Western World is born. Literally. Slow birth-process perhaps. But
still.
Just passing by
//Chris
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