[Andre]
> This whole notion of 'truth' was undefined and I hope to think at that time
> at least on equal par with Good.
> I think that is why Pirsig compared it to the Tao. It was 'intellect' as
> Bodvar suggests that fucked it all up...later. And then it needed to be
> retrieved intellectualy, which is an impossibility...it is direct
> experience, from the pre-intellectual 'era'. That's why we must kill all
> intellectual patterns to get a glimps of it.
[Chris]
Even though I don't agree with Bodvar on the point of SOM being synonymous with
the intellectual level, I do share his view that looking at SOM (and for that
matter all philosophy and subsequent science that developed in the western
world) as something that usurped and suppressed a Quality Understanding - is
wrong. We mustn't nurture some unrealistic view that before SOM people saw
things undivided and pure - the Quest for Understanding is apparently present
as far back as we have historical testimony, but what we CAN see (at least a
MOQist) is that this quest was heavily - if not totally - dominated by social
level values. Only when Truth can stand by itself, as a Value in it self - is
the intellectual level realized.
Ron:
Excellent statement, while SOM did not suppress the quality idea, it did force
Arete into the back seat redefining what social excellence
meant in the way of realizing truth as a value in itself so much so that over
time it gradually dominated the scene and saw itself as divorced
from social norms and establishing a "gods eye" view that objectivism is known
for. This does not so much suppress Arete but it overshadows
it so much that it is often ignored and under valued.
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