Hello Arlo,
Not to rush to anyones defence, but....

Due to the fact that biological life is present in the universe, one could 
argue that
reality is indeed a self reflecting system. What that means or what that entails
I'm not sure I know. But it does seem to be an existing feature.

-Ron


 



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From: Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 11:45:41 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The SOM/MOQ discrepancy.

[Platt to Ham]
Here I see value (Quality) at the very root of your philosophy -- an Essence 
that created the world because it wanted to be appreciated...

[Arlo]
Exodus 20:5 "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD 
your God, am a jealous God..."

I'd say any "Essence" that's so needy that it needed to create "the world" just 
so its creations will "appreciate it" (perceive its magnificence!?)  is a poor 
"Essence" indeed. But hey, if you need something to worship, I suppose anything 
will do...

So let me ask... in your views (the need-to-be appreciated Essigod, or the 
MOQ-based Qualigod), did the "intent to produce man" precede man's existence? 
That is, in both of your metaphysics, was their a "plan" to make man long 
before the cosmos appeared?


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