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an oldie but goodie ________________________________ From: Andre Broersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:14:55 AM Subject: Re: [MD] A fine mess Ron: Science has broken itself out of these bounds during the past century so one may say that SOM has already come to the Q realization with Quantum physics and theory without the need of any philosophic metaphysical restructuring what so ever. The problem we seem to be facing is the social acceptance of these new intellectual ideas and meanings. Western cultures Christianity dominated society is steeped in Platonism and Aristotlian analytic based on the concept of one and only one truth and only one way to realize it. This is what we are faced with, the power of peoples faith in the absolute and the familier, what we offer to them is nihlist, atheist existentialist meanings in their eyes. Two approaches, do we try to hoodwink them again with absolutes and familiarity (SOL) or Do we leave it up to the individual pursuit..(MoQ) What I sense SOL to be is a kind of "bait and switch " tatic for the masses. To wit I say, good luck with the switch part. The Quality idea is one that may only be approached by the individual. It may not be sold to the masses. Andre: Hi Ron, I keep enjoying your posts. They are well thought out and stimulating. You end this post on a somewhat depressing note...'It may not be sold to the masses'. I believe you are absolutely right. The large majority of people we see everyday go to work, do their things, feed their family and relax themselves by watching TV at night, have a nice meal, tell a story to their children before they go to bed and try to find themselves in something not there. They are tired! I have felt this often myself...being tired after a hard days (night) work. Why? To pay the bills! Simple as that. The SOM reasoning,...the SOM created world. As Sylvia observed: It is just like a funeral procession. I am overjoyed that I found this Discuss! I am overjoyed I found Pirsig ( ZMM given to me by a friend in 1986 while I was in the process of bying a motorbike). I have learnt not to feel responsible for the masses nor having any illusions about capabilities of said masses. It absorbes energy and it will destroy you. Pirsig is correct: this MoQ 'idea' has found root, we are the pioneers,but we should not expect general acceptance overnight. Sometimes this idea hammers for years, sometimes centuries, and then, when one or two people pick it up, they may convince more people who have to hammer for years and decades and sometimes centuries until the conditions are right and...voila. The problem with S/O thinking is that it was airtight. With quantum physics the tightness is beginning to dissolve. Thing is; are we going to mop up, be a guide along this process, or are we going to lead the way? For what it is worth Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
