Bodvar: I'm an old man and can only manage it "once a day". Regarding the previous logic issue I can't see how it can be expanded. 2+2 is 4 in MOQ too, but it's premises brings an in-out-turn of many things. One major turn is from SOM where intellect = mind to MOQ where its 4th. level = mind/matter distinction. As long as this isn't understood or accepted, the MOQ isn't understood.
Andre: This really is very interesting Bodvar! You have triggered a 'growing-up' metaphor of mine which made me,at 16 years of age, instantly, not understood (not mis- but not) understood. I told everyone in my family that I hoped a world was possible wherein 2+2 could conceivably not be 4. This, from that moment onwards, has convinced my family (and many others) that I am crazy, strange, different) and, unfortunately that label still follows me to this day. BUT, I have been vindicated: the MOQ! Pirsig has shown, through Poincarre and others that 2+2=...4 because it is useful. It doesn't mean it is necessarily true. It is relative, what do you mean by the two's...what do you mean by the relationships..what do you mean by this (SOM) 'cause and effect' postulate. There is no 'cause and effect' equivalent when talking about human beings. They do not behave as objects! It is only true in math. But I am not math...I am a living composition of PoV's and the extent to which I want to stick to static patterns, this 'logic' is usefull, but to the extent that I want to respond to DQ it may not be usefull at all. It may, in fact, interfere with where DQ leads me. For what it is worth Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
