I think that's right, Gav. Jung's individuation process is about "becoming a 
total individual" and "this is the journey we are all on". There are some 
problems with Jung that prevent his work from being totally compatible with the 
MOQ but he considered any kind of experience to be an empirical fact, a 
psychological fact, so he was a kind of radical empiricist. In this sense, he 
rejects positivism and objectivity and he's pretty close in other respects too. 
Vestiges of SOM and essentialism remain but he's basically a mystic and that's 
what makes his picture useful in trying to imagine the MOQ. As you put it, Jung 
thinks "we need to integrate the unconscious elements" and "the ego needs to be 
integrated within a more complete perspective". In terms of the MOQ, this would 
be an integration of the small self and the Big Self. To the extent that the 
unconscious elements remain unconscious, they are projected onto other people 
and otherwise taken to be an exterior fact. I think thi
 s is what Pirsig was talking about when he said the most moral thing to do was 
absorb bad karma rather than pass it on. This is really just a way of putting 
all the evil on the other guy rather than recognize it in yourself. Putting an 
end to at least some of this psychological scape-goating is just one part of 
the individuation process. I'm sure I don't understand it all. But this journey 
was already going on long before Jung used these terms. It is on display in the 
monomyth, as Campbell called it, in the hero's journey. That's why, as you 
rightly put it, "this process is probably closely related to the christ myth 
and orpheus too". In both cases, they "die" (ego death), descend into Hell or 
the Underworld (the unconscious), return to the world of the living with a 
great treasure (the recovered Big Self, becoming whole) and, having become 
gods, ascend to heaven or the heavens for eternity (this is always the goal, 
regardless of the contingencies of time and place). The sym
 bolic language of myth is not to be confused with any claim about supernatural 
entities or magical happenings. These metaphors refer to psychological events 
and processes, to experiences of growth and transformation in consciousness. 
That's what the death and resurrection story is about, not a particular miracle 
2000 years ago. In that sense, the resurrection of Christ is not something you 
believe in, its something you do, something you experience for yourself. Like 
all mythical heroes, he and Orpheus are symbols of wholeness, of a successful 
passage through that vital transformational process. We don't have to be 
tortured to death by the Romans but if the symbolism isn't entirely misleading 
it will probably involve a few tears, at least.  
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