[Ian] > Can you not separate in your mind Platt, the idea that we as a > community of individuals around the globe take enlightened common > interest and understanding in the fact that we and our environment are > mutually dependent and how it works, distinct from the separate > choices of whether or not to execute any forms of centralized > planning, and what forms of local / state / inter-state governance we > prefer to work with. > > Does the answer to every question have to be a choice of one political > ideology or another ? > You don't need a PhD in philosophy or science or economics or even > good-housekeeping, or the advice of any panel of experts, to know that > all eggs in one basket is the risky option. Concern for global warming > (and peak oil, and sustainabilty, and the next ice-age, and inbound > asteroids, and, and, and ...) is good common sense. Scaremongering is > political posturing - and of course attention grabbing has its uses, > so long as it not an excuse for oppression through fear. These are all > separate choices. I have no problem whatsoever with those who think of themselves as enlightened and replete with common sense because they are concerned about potential natural or man-made disasters. Everyone should be free and entitled to their own beliefs. But a problem occurs when they take their concern, as with global warming, and make it an excuse for oppression through fear (central planning enforced at the point of a gun). That's what Klaus and I object to. Seeing the devastation totalitarian political ideologies have wrought on mankind should we not alert to their encroachment in our lives? Surely Pirsig was alert to the political effect of amoral SOM and made no effort to keep politics out of a discussion as you seem to suggest would be a good idea.
Platt > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Platt Holden <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Chris: > > > > What's the point of exposing the global warming scam? Here's the > point: > > > > "As someone who lived under communism for most of his life, I feel > obliged > > to say that I see the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market > > economy and prosperity now in ambitious environmentalism, not in > communism. > > This ideology wants to replace the free and spontaneous evolution of > > mankind by a sort of cental (now global) planning." > > > > --- Czech President Vaclav Klaus > > > > Platt > > > > > >> >> [Platt] > >> >> > More evidence of the global warming scam: > >> > >> Oh for the love of Thor! Why do you bother? Why? What's the point? > Sure > >> the > >> big grey mass of sheep known as "the public" will get a lot of things > >> wrong, > >> and they will hype stuff that actually aren't as much as it will be > made > >> out > >> to be. That happens. > >> > >> But there is some difference between a hype cantered around climate > >> awareness and a hype cantered around anti-Semitism for example. > >> > >> I mean what's the harm? I personally believe that human beings DO > affect > >> the > >> earth with their activity - the degree of which I can't be sure of, > but > >> since we only have one earth; better safe than annihilated. > >> > >> Sure, in the wake of this green hype that's going on, a lot of very > >> annoying > >> stuff follows - pretentious people showing of their moral superiority > by > >> making sure people see what expensive ecological food brands they buy, > or > >> that people know that "Their car is a hybrid you know!" - and a lot > of > >> other > >> things that will make a Nietzschean groan. > >> > >> But you know what? I can take that. I can also take the stuff happening > on > >> a > >> bigger scale, on the political arena: all parties must me > environmentally > >> aware and have plans for sustainable growth. I can take that. The > >> fanatics, > >> the would-have-been-hippies-but-are-now-human ecologists; the people > who > >> believe polar bears are more important than people are always a > minority > >> anyway. They don't set the agenda. > >> > >> > >> So what is the problem here? Is all this threatening "the American > way"? > >> Is > >> that it? Because if the American way is defined by driving hummers > and > >> pumping oil.. > >> > >> > >> > >> //Chris > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
