Ha, thanks Mel, I get your point, but you'll not be surprized that I have agonized over the jargon "meme" in the recent past. It is a meme that has stuck with me.
In my defense, I would say the word "meme" is preferred to the words ideas and concepts because it focusses the mind-view on their communicable and replicatable aspects and mechanisms rather than any fundamental / conceptual aspects of their origin and intent. But like Pirsig, I'd say changing the word from cause to value is just a psychological trick to change the minds world view ... their is nothing fundamental in the words and their defintitions that more fundamentally defines or explains the problem or the solution(s). Also, don't forget that MoQ / evolution occurs in all the levels, not just the biological, so we do have patterns of information at work in all the levels, so it's not just the genes we need to talk about. (Pirsig would say patterns of value, Memeticists would say memes or information encoded in those patterns - same difference.) Sorry. Ian On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM, ml <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ian, > > Interesting fragment. > > Ian: > <snip>, but let's not forget that the value accrues to the genotypes, > > memotypes and extended phenotypes etc ... >> not just the biological individuals. > <SNIP> > > mel: > > "[V]alue accrues to genotypes" is a good MoQ definition of > evolution. Recognizing that at the level of choice the > phenotype is the 'driver.' > > Lot of food for thought there. > ... > > As to memotypes...the corporate world taught me that > memo-reading or memo-writing were low quality, small > value activities. (or if you are talking about memes, > those ITD's --intellectually transmitted diseases, > from the exchange of intellectual fluids by engaging in > unprotected conversation, then that is something else. > > You can get a shot of sNikwadomyacin to reverse the > condition and you will find that the more sensible words > of 'idea' and 'concept' return to your vocabulary ;-) > > --sorry, couldn't resist. > > thanks--mel > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
