Marsha / Ian, Marsha said: > > Ian, > > One can become giddy... > > > Marsha >
mel: giddy-up, you two... 6 more days to #44 and an excuse for changes, whatsoever. Good time to be a talk show host or newsturbator. Ian said: >Ha, thanks Mel, I get your point, but you'll not be surprized that I >have agonized over the jargon "meme" in the recent past. It is a >meme that has stuck with me. >In my defense, I would say the word "meme" is preferred to the >words >ideas and concepts because it focusses the mind-view on their <communicable and replicatable aspects and mechanisms >rather than any >fundamental / conceptual aspects of their origin and intent. But <like >Pirsig, I'd say changing the word from cause to value is just a >psychological trick to change the minds world view ... their is >nothing fundamental in the words and their defintitions that more >fundamentally defines or explains the problem or the solution(s). >Also, don't forget that MoQ / evolution occurs in all the levels, not >just the biological, so we do have patterns of information at work >in >all the levels, so it's not just the genes we need to talk about. >(Pirsig would say patterns of value, Memeticists would say >memes or >information encoded in those patterns - same difference.) Sorry. Ian mel: off to work...where culture is the genetic code of society, as they taught in the early 70's in Tucson, and each artifact or idea was the operational unit. Ideas people steal, not so sure of memes, the street mime of the intellect. Law protects ideas in certain circumstances, so their value is long recognized, but Dawkins, that rascally genetic determinist is the ultimate narcissists: It's no longer good enough to be 'all about me' , but now it's all about me-me, meme. ;-) Must be an accident of place and time...we just saw Dawkins as derivative, almost accidental in the late 70's. so, no defense needed... thanks--mel Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
