At Tue Jan 13 12:46:13 PST 2009, Ham wrote:
Bo, Chris, Marsha --
Here's the gist of what Pisig says about causation in LILA:
"The only difference between causation and value is that
the word 'cause' implies absolute certainty whereas the
implied meaning of "value" is one of preference."
I would suggest that there is another difference: the passage of time.
Without the temporal dimension (of human experience), causation as the
direct result of a prior action or event would be impossible. If time is
the mode of experience, rather than an inherent property of existence, Value
is "causative" non-sequentially, while "preference" remains the property of
the observing subject. Creation then becomes a differentiated product of
experience with Value as its source. I define the subject of existence as
value-sensibility, and the "actualized" world of experience as its creation.
This avoids the necessity of chicken-and-egg, cause-and-effect scenarios and
the "forests of pulpwood" which Pirsig laments being sacrificed to debate
the issue.
Marsha says to David Swift:
> I hope that your strictly physical performance is some kind of
> interpretative dance, because if you are going to use words to
> explain it will have a mental component.
That's a red herring, Marsha. There is no alternative to words for
explication, which is why we have philosophy.
Greetings Ham,
I don't see it as a red herring. I do not see how it can be ignored
or casually swept away. Words, labels and concepts are
mental. Anything that is explained has to be recognized as a mental
interpretation. The mind dissects, frames and shapes
interpretation. Analogy all the way up and all the way down.
No Ham, not a red herring.
Marsha
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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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