At 07:33 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote/quote: ________________________________
From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 5:10:45 PM Subject: Re: [MD] new blog : >"My personal belief, from talking to physicists and trying to gauge >their level of >understanding of Buddha's world is that they don't know anything. The whole >stance of science is hostile to mysticism. The (physicists) may have >arrived at a >rejection of objectivity but that isn't where they start from. No high school >physics class begins with the statement "All the world is an >illusion" ...talking >mysticism in a scientific community is like talking Judaism in Damascus. They >may listen to you but it goes completely against the grain of their >education." > >(letter from Robert Pirsig to Anthony McWatt, March 29th, 1997) >Greetings Micheal, >I like the quote very much, but I do not think it is relevant to theism because mysticism is not dependent on theism. >Marsha >From Paco, greetings to all: There is the phenomenon of mystical tranpersonal experience, theistic or non-theistic. The philosophical schools of thought and common science we have now are scientistic, meaning they have developed rational methods of investigation and analysis only for non-mystical experiences. Mystical experiences are empirical, but the only method we have at present (or so Ken Wilber and others and I say) to appreciate them as subjective-objective is the practice of meditation-contemplation where there is direct intuitive apprehension of data -- sensory, mental or spiritual expereince. The data, the evidence can be checked with others of the same practice. The way of meditation-contemplation is for all, theists and non-theists. It is the only way, I think, to appreciate fully a work of art; one is invited to enter into it, partcipate in its mystery. Laboratory analysis of a work of art -- is this deep aesthetic apprciation? There is a mystical transpersonal experience of theism (not religion). The treatises of mystical processes of the likes of John of the Cross and Aurobindo can only give us some knowledge by analogy --poor, but knowledge nnetheless). Can/will there be a metaphysics or ethics that can handle handle mystical experience and the transpersonal world? The subject of philosophy should be experience or events of value of whatever type, I think For what it's worth. May Yahweh bless you and keep you! May Yahweh let his face shine on you, and be gracious to you! May Yahweh look kindly on you, and give you his peace! (Num. 6:24-26) Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
