dmb quoted Pirsig: subjects and objects are secondary, they are concepts Craig asked: So if I hold an object in my hand, I'm holding a concept in my hand?
dmb says:Yes, the distinction between you and the held object is conceptual. The immediate experience is habitually divided that way but at the cutting edge of experience there will be a sense of the Quality of the whole, overall situation. Before you can discern what the object is, before it can even be selected out of the undifferentiated field of experience and categorized as an object, you'll know if the situation is good or bad. The hot stove example illustrates this. Later, after we've made such distinctions and discerned what the object is and the reasons for the quality originally detected, we can explain the quality of the situation in terms of the defined things within it. Oh, well, obviously it felt like a low quality situation because I was holding a burning chunk of coal. Or, later we might say the hot woman's breast is responsible for the high quality feeling of the overall situation. And we learn that the latter patterns are worth repeating and that the former is something we learn to avoid. These patterns quickly become unproblematic and uncontroversial. They work to the extent that nobody likes to get burned and everybody loves boobs. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
