[Paco]
An indicator, if not proof, is their/our ability to experience beauty and create beauty throiugh art forms. The way of art leads to worlds beyond reason.

[Arlo]
Yes, I continue to be astounded by the art (visual, aural, kinetic, etc.) wo/man has created through the ages. From the earliest records we have of such activity (cave paintings, sculptures, as well as the legends that would eventually survive to reach us thousands of years later) to the present-day, humanity has created a wealth of metaphor demonstrating the human condition. I am a cynic only half the time. :-)

[Paco]
I suspect Pirsig had a mystical experience of Quality.

[Arlo]
I think he says as much very clearly. From his earlier partaking of the peyote ceremony to the moment he narrates in ZMM, "Then Phaedrus feels a tugging to read the passage again, and he does so and then...what's this?! -- "That which we translate 'virtue ' but is in Greek 'excellence. Lightning hits! Quality! Virtue! Dharma!".

[Paco]
However, these art forms, as all art forms, fail to express the whole.

[Arlo]
This is my ongoing point, and central to my criticism of "theism" (whose particular narratives I've likened to paintings, to get across the idea). Where WE fail as people is to recognize the limited view resulting from privileging or making exclusive one work of art. One can, for example, learn a great deal about the human condition from reading Dostoevsky, but would we ever insist one limit oneself to reading nothing else? And I am not even talking other "great literature", such as Yoskikawa or Twain, but also the, ahem, "lesser" forms like graphic novels (Spiegelman) or comics (Schultz or Watterson). This is my point. "Theism" is one response to the Mythos, painting, sculpting, dancing, illustrated novels, comics, symphonies, drum circles and rock concerts are others.


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