HI Ron,
It is my understanding that Quality is experience. Do you understand Quality, or Value, to be the same as a supreme being? Is that what you are saying?
Were Heraclitus, Parmenides, Plato or Aristotle's philosophy theistic? Marsha At 10:44 AM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
The same questions may be asked of Quality. I think this is where the conversation is pointed towards. what ever we call this idea. god, Quality, larry, we still mean the predisposition towards certain types of experiences. Those patterns we call betterness. Humans, as all living patterns tend toward those patterns which promote existence. Biologically we feel a type of pleasure associated with them. Life is a turn on. The mystical expereince is the ecstacy of being. I think, if one slows things down and focus on the expereince of now we feel it. Existence is mysterious and wonder-full. That butterfly in your chest feeling of electricity. I get that expereince when I travel out western U.S. through the wilderness and canyons. The air is crisp and electric,spaces wide and open. I get this feeling watching my children and being proud and finding them beautiful transcient like a flower or a cloud formation in the setting sun. I can only watch as the beauty pours passingly. My expereince, the only stability in a world of flux. Fichte's self posited "I" the 'I' in "I" think, therefore "I" am.(or is to be more specific) We just are, why can't people just bathe in it, and accept it? I am that I am. Now Heraclitus thought it wise to agree about this expereince as common and not particular. But then Parmenides taught that this expereince is illusionary and that reality was absolute, perfect and one. Wich Plato, then Aristotle built apon. Souls and objects possesing eternal and absolute essence, pluralality of the one. Aristotle thought it wise to agee apon this and designed arguement from the particular to the universal understanding.. But this turned out to be a particular view of a common expereince, un wittingly going against the original wisdom of Heraclitus. "Mans role in the universe " is a condtioned need toward fear and uncertainty. Lifes meaning is existential, we exist to exist. the art of existence is the dance of life. learning the moves is important if one is to dance along, those feelings of harmony ecstacy are letting us know we have it right, flow and ease are hapiness and betterness expressing the creative pattern of existence. Decay is the return of the natural state of existence, nothingness. There is no why, there is no how merely" is" when it comes to this matter. Any answer is allways limited, being limited it will not be accepted as any answer. Consequently the most trying of times are a natural expression. " thought I may meet adversity, must I lament?who is to keep me from meeting it cheerfully? none." -Epictetus -Ron ________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 9:14:12 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Theism/epistemology > Greetings, Is G*d's function in any way to convey information? Marsha _____________ QUESTION EVERYTHING!!! Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
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