Ron and Marsha (responding to Michael's theism) --
[Marsha asks several questions]:
What is the relationship between theism and knowledge
and how is it determined?
Okay, you like the label G*d. Is G*d like the color I pick
to paint my bedroom? Or does G*d have a function?
Is G*d's function in any way to convey information?
[Ron posits an all-inclusive Qualityism]:
The same questions may be asked of Quality.
I think this is where the conversation is pointed towards.
What ever we call this idea - god, Quality, larry - we still
mean the predisposition towards certain types of experiences.
Those patterns we call betterness.
Humans, as all living patterns tend toward those patterns which
promote existence. Biologically we feel a type of pleasure
associated with them. Life is a turn on. The mystical experience
is the ecstacy of being, I think, if one slows things down and
focus on the experience of now we feel it.
Existence is mysterious and wonder-full....
Three facts supported by logic:
1) That questions can be asked about Quality does not make it God or the
primary source.
2) That we cannot directly experience or prove the existence of God or
Essence does not falsify a primary source.
3) That one may choose to believe or not believe in a transcendent reality
proves that man has free choice.
Ron's misuse of a biblical quotation in defense of nihilism is sure to win
the hearts of believers like Michael:
We just are, why can't people just bathe in it, and accept it?
I am that I am.
For those who missed Sunday School, Jehovah is the Hebrew name equated with
"I Am." It comes from the same root as the verb "to be" and implies a
personal relationship to the Creator. In the book of Exodus, God (Jehovah)
expresses his eternity to Moses by naming himself "I am." As Moses
prepared to take his people out of Egypt, he asks of God: "...when I come
unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your
fathers hath sent me unto you: and they shall say to me, what is His name?
What shall I say unto them? And God said to Moses I AM THAT I AM: and he
said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me
unto you."
As I've said before, neither Quality nor Man comes into being by its/his own
power. Only an uncreated source has the distinction of self-sufficiency.
Therefore, whether you accept the primary source or not, it is illogical to
apply the phrase "I am that I am" to a human being.
Thanks for allowing me this interruption. As a "third party" here, I shall
recuse myself from your debate other than to point out such inconsistencies
as the above.
Essentially yours,
Ham
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