At 12:24 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
> Marsha
> A concept with no value will soon cease to exist.
MP: Your POV is not the only source of value, and as you have expounded on
it, completely entrenched in an SOM perspective; if I can't prove it
to you, you
insist it doesn't exist.
Quality doesn't exist, but you accept it nonetheless.
Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable in the sense that
there is a knower and a known. Quality is experienced.
You speak of mystical experience, but then tell me "experience is experience"
as if there is no variation, as if they are all the same glass of water.
I said experience is experience, the description of the experience is
not the experience. I never said there was no variation.
As an MoQ'er I should think would understand this not to be the case better
than anyone.
see above.
> How are you going to make me think differently?
MP: I have no intention of making you do anything. If you want to think
differently, *you* are the one to whom you should be asking this
question, not
me.
And *you* will only ever do so by asking yourself "why" instead of "how."
Belief is about experience not knowledge. It is about experience,
not proof. I
describe my experience about belief the best I can in an epistemological
framework, but unless you are prepared to attempt the experience, it is a
pointless exercise; knowledge is not experience.
Who is believing and what is being believed? A self(subject) and an object?
Again, I'd think an MoQ'er would innately accept this.
Accept a self(subject) and an object? I reject this.
If what I have said so far has not made sense to you, then either I
am incapable
of describing what I understand to you, or you can't and/or are unwilling to
understand what I describe. Either way your quest for knowledge does not
appear to be one helped by my experience on this topic. Either you
persist for
the purpose of proving me wrong, or for the sake of proving yourself right.
Either way, my part in your power play is involuntary as I am not
here to try to
*prove* anything, and I haven't any intention in being coerced into
doing so for
your purposes.
If I had the sense you actually were interested in understanding what I am
attempting to convey, the situation would be entirely different.
I understand you want g*d and theism worked into the MOQ. I reject
this. I'm not the only one who rejects it.
Marsha
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