On 7 Feb 2009 at 10:38, [email protected] wrote: > Ron said: > Quality, God, betterness, source, are all labels in the > understanding of mystical expereince. > Mystical expereince "is". I am therefore I am. this is the only real > observable concept of any kind > of truth or certainty, all roads of explaination and inquiry stem > from it. Therefore most of us > here do not go in too much for any kind of explaination, theistic, > metaphysical or otherwise, > we go for the development of our own personal individual > understanding of our own experience. > Nothing more. THIS is the power of the MoQ, not in converting nor > explaining any sort of a > revealed truth in any sort of a universal understanding. MoQ guides > us in inquiry of our own experience. MP: I understand this. It just seems to me like mystical anarchy, that's all. And in my understanding of human history to date, anarchy doesn't serve us as well as some of the other systems we've managed, flawed as they may be.
> Ron said: > You see, theism does encourage a personal relationship with god, but > lets not forget that god is a particular universal understanding of > experience. MP: Yes, I agree. I just don't see that its particularity serves as an automatic disqualifier from the mystical experience menu as the MoQ atheistic proponents would have us believe. A personal relationship with g*d is personal because as a belief, it stems from the individual. And as such, seen in your description of MoQ it seems to me to make it no less valid as a form of inquiry into our own experience and hence without grounds for immediate dismissal purely because it is th*istic. Purely because it begins with "I believe..." rather than "I know..." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
