Hi Marsha

9 Feb. you said:

> Greetings Bo,
 
> And how else would RMP explain the MoQ than by using a language we
> conventional share?  

If one sees reality as outside language's scope, then it's hilarious 
to use language to point this out. And it's the first part I protest 
because it is SOM's: language as subjective and reality as 
objective.    

> How does your explanation, the SOL explanation demonstrate meta-MoQ
> perspective without the use of a conventionally shared language?

The SOL sees SOM as the 4th level, thus the 3rd. level knew no 
language/reality distinction, and - most important - the MOQ (as 
beyond the 4th. level) acknowledges no language/reality 
distinction.

In the MOQ SOM's language/reality offshoot has no "jurisdiction" 
outside the intellectual level, thus the MOQ can see language as a 
social pattern that has followed Q-evolution into the intellectual 
level and from there into the MOQ itself. Nowhere does the 
language/reality platypus throw spanners into the MOQ.    

> Honestly, I just don't see your major problem.  Please explain this
> devastating paradox and why it destroys MOQ.  

If the SOM overrides the MOQ - which it does in the "Summary"

    The Metaphysics of Quality itself is static and should be 
    separated from the Dynamic Quality it talks about.  

statement, then the MOQ is done for. I know you will point to Pirsig 
saying that Quality is "dynamic" and the MOQ is "static", but it's 
plain that here dynamic means objective or real, and MOQ means 
subjective or irreal because it's just concepts. That has been your 
point always.    

> Then please explain how your SOL version rectifies the problem.  I
> really am trying to understand.  I just don't get why it should knock
> you off your rocker. 

I did it up above. Let me ask you something. Do you understand 
the Newton Gravity argument in ZAMM?

> p.s.  Ron if you can explain Bo's problem to me in simple language I
> would appreciate the help.  I really don't get it.

Ron?  LOL

Bo







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