> Andre said: > to posit the laying of dinosaur bones (as evidence of millions of > years of evolution) as being placed there by God to test the > strength of ones faith is absurd, stupid and dumb to me. MP: I'm with you on that one too. It is a classic example of faith attempting to speak with reason on reason's terms rather than addressing itself in faithful terms in the face of reason. The former results in idiocy, the latter in stronger faith.
> Andre said: > And I think that this is what Steve is referring to: the scientist is > willing to let go of 'fundamentals' based on evidence.The believer (in > whatever) interprets the evidence either as non existent or as a test of > faith...contrary to all the evidence and, unthinkingly, desparately holds on > to these fundamentals (at any cost). MP: I think this is a very narrow and limited understanding of faithful belief. You are speaking of how faith absent reason reacts to reason. But that is only the static reactionary faith. Faith by definition is not static and reactionary, it only becomes so (more or less, subject to debate) in practice. > Andre said: > Quality you experience and is affirmed every minute of the moment. > No faith required, constantly affirmed. MP: I disagree. To someone unaware of the concept of Quality, Quality is not self evident as Quality. The credit is given to talent, skill, intelligence, luck, vision, etc. in a clean and simple SOM manner. One has to have faith that Quality (undefined, ineffable, inconceivable, yet eternally the same) exists and drives those actions to be able to experience and affirm it as Quality over anything else; you can't prove its Quality any more than you can prove its God or a person's own hard earned talent or skill. That's faith, brother. Same faith as a faith in God when that faith is not held in opposition to reason. MP ---- "Don't believe everything you think." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
