WillBlake2 said:I find the term "faith" difficult to understand as used. In religion it is an acceptance of higher control. I have faith that my heart will keep beating in such acceptance. I also have faith that the organizing capability of the mind will serve to maintain itself; I have faith in the reality that I create, until I change it. I also have blind faith in math and its day to day usefulness.
dmb says:I don't think anyone would object to the belief that your heart will keep beating and I don't think blind faith is required to find math useful. In cases like that, "faith" is just another word for "trust". There are good reasons to trust math and your heart. They've worked so far and we understand something about how and why they work based on empirical realities like heart beats and mathematical calculations. I mean, the term "faith" is definitely used to mean this kind of reasonable confidence or trust but, as far as I know, nobody has objections to that. The objectionable kind of "faith" is the willingness to believe falsehoods, to believe in things without a reasonable basis. To say that "faith" means something else is fine, but then the subject has been changed and we are no longer even talking about what's objectionable. MP does this and thereby simply side-steps the issue. Don't fall for it. It's nonsense. "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it truly is; infinite." William Blake "Break on through to the other side" The Doors _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
