On Feb 27, 2009, at 4:23:46 PM, "david buchanan" <[email protected]> wrote: dmb says:I don't think anyone would object to the belief that your heart will keep beating and I don't think blind faith is required to find math useful. In cases like that, "faith" is just another word for "trust". There are good reasons to trust math and your heart. They've worked so far and we understand something about how and why they work based on empirical realities like heart beats and mathematical calculations. I mean, the term "faith" is definitely used to mean this kind of reasonable confidence or trust but, as far as I know, nobody has objections to that. The objectionable kind of "faith" is the willingness to believe falsehoods, to believe in things without a reasonable basis. To say that "faith" means something else is fine, but then the subject has been changed and we are no longer even talking about what's objectionable. MP does this and thereby simply side-steps the issue. Don't fall for it. It's nonsense. "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it truly is; infinite." William Blake
Thanks for the suggestion. I think there may be a grey area where trust becomes faith. That grey area is in different places for different people, which is why I wanted an understanding of the word "faith" as being used. Semantic accuracy can often solve a lot of communication difficulties for me. Whether trust or faith, I certainly do not want to take any of it for granted as I believe it stems from Quality. Love the quote, perception is elusive and also rooted in Quality(?). Willblake2 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
