On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:03:44 PM, "Andre Broersen" <[email protected]> wrote: Platt to Andre:
Be assured I too don't have the slightest idea if what I say is ontological, epistemological or philosophical/metaphysical. I'm just the son of a draftsman. Andre: Platt, thanks for your response. I think that this is the thing I am questioning: the ontological, epistemological philosophical /metaphysical considerations that are going on. We (through the MoQ) are into a new way of looking/thinking about things.. I am reminded of a very good friend I had. He died at my age ,at that time (42). He developed stomach cancer. He left three children and a wife. He told me of many of his conversations with his brother (very religious) quoting the bible etc. And he said one day: 'Andre, I do not want to hear those things from the bible, I want to live...NOW, and that is something my brother does not understand. He tells me I should do this and I should do that...but I do not feel that that is the way to go". I want to be me!' To have (SOM) philosophical arguments and definitions thrown in to try and understand and add to this MoQ ( including religious convictions built on uncertainties but confirmed by a QUALITY FOUNDATION) sometimes leaves me baffled. The MoQ , through Robert M. Pirsig invites us to go outside of SOM and and go deep within ourselves to resolve the S/O concept (SOM), make the subject the object and the object the subject. An interrelation between the S and the O because both do not exist (their separation are intellectual constructs/concepts..not reality) Platt, I think that the reason why I am telling you this is that we have to live now. I know we are working on an MoQ but we have to take risks. We have to say what we feel and think that is right. I firmly believe that Mr. Pirsig wanted to re- establish the human element within his philosophy. The human element that was lost with Plato and incarcerated with Aristotle. What is good Phaedrus? Is 'Good" a concept? Is it a mental construction? For the Buddhist it is a way of life. Why do we make it so difficult? ( All this questioning stuff generated from SOM and S/O dualities.). Pirsig simply states that a large part of the MoQ is based on Oriental mysticism. ( 'On the Road' DVD). We Westerners have difficulty with this... Time to let go...of everything.! Is 'good' to be sliced up yet again (through SOM) and do people still not accept/understand GOOD as a noun? Good night Platt, Regards Andre Thanks for this Andre. For although being kind of new, my head is already reeling with these circular semantic discussions (at least as I see them with my limited training). Maybe its real, maybe its an illusion or an illusion of an illusion, maybe an illusion is real. I am reminded of EA Poe's Dream Within a Dream (who I think highly of). Maybe we are just a circle of blind men each leading each other, maybe not. It really doesn't matter to me. What I am interested, which you touch on, and that is to establish a human element. All the great philosophies (and yes, I include religion, and science, and everything else, it doesn't matter...) have provided view that brings day to day meaning and joy (whatever that means doesn't matter to me either). There are philosophies which have done just the opposite for me. I like the concept of living now (or in the Now, whatever). I have found that there are different ways to live in the now. For example I would rather be listening to good music or playing basketball, than running from a bear or being on a ski slope where I don't belong. I like the hierarchical notion of good that I think I see in MoQ. So at the expense of being socio-political (whatever that means), what are the rules? What is it about MoQ (in a nutshell) that helps my attitude in going for a job interview? Thanks, Willblake2 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
