Andre, after a long spiel: Bottom line is: the choice is ours, and DQ has no influence in/on this. It only suggests that we act morally, i.e in harmony.
[Krimel] Ok, you are saying we have free will. I really want to believe that but I have to say there is a great deal of good evidence to suggest otherwise. I have frequently criticized others here for clinging to beliefs in spite of the evidence solely because the beliefs make them feel good. In this instance I must plead guilty. Andre: Thank you Krimel for responding. I have had difficulties with this as well. Pirsig really brought it home to me when he said, from his balcony in NY (I think) the 'magic' words: how you look at all this stuff, all these goings on, and how you judge them depends on your own static patterns. The extent to which you are willing to let go of the static patterns (in your persuit of DQ) will depend on how much 'pain' / uncertainty, you are willing to endure. It also depends on how much pleasure you are willing to endure without feeling guilty (among so much misery and low quality). This will be the guilt-tripping/ no- hopers people who will suggest you are selfish! Invariably this will include people you hold dear. Without wanting to evoke a continuation of the theistic discussion,(I don't!) but this is a theme that lies behing the words attributed to e.g. Jesus: If you want to follow me, reject your father, mother, brothers and sisters. Give your wealth to the poor...etc, etc. These are the most powerfull static patterns that binds one to one's existential reality. And here is a bloke saying that this reality is illusory. And I agree. He also said : Know Thyself'. The most powerful and least quoted words in the practice of churchianity. They are what it is all about. Enough. If you do not agree with anything of the above , I'll hear. Thanks Krimel Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
