Greetings All,
At least Bo has stuck with this forum. Many others have just
disappeared. Whether I agree with Bo or not, thank goodness he was
here as someone to bounce my ideas off. I needed him. I needed him
to challenge me. I still do. My understanding may not be perfect,
but it is broader, deeper and stronger because of Bo. Take for
instance DMB. I adore Dave, but mostly I agree with what he
says No challenge there. And I can be soooo lazy. I would say the
same of Ham and Platt. They make me think. They make me work. And
in spite of the call of enlightenment, I love to try to solve
metaphysical puzzles. I really do want to know what I know and how I
know it. I think it's a sickness I was born with.
And I sometimes think all Bo is stating is that both the Social and
Intellectual levels are s/o dualistic, but that it is only the
Intellectual level that is conscious of it. I cannot disagree with
this evaluation. - I still see the sq-moq as an intellectual
pattern. I cannot make heads or tails of either his logic or
justifications for thinking that destroys the MOQ. So I can still
find areas of disagreement.
Bravo to Bo, and boooo to the lurkers who do not participate.
Marsha
At 06:59 AM 3/19/2009, you wrote:
Bo,
what pisses me off is that you developed the germ of a pretty
interesting concept 12yrs ago and have rested on it. pitched
a tent on it, drew a line in the sand and declared yourself
king. You distort and twist Robert Pirsigs words and eveyone
else who does not agree with you. You are either dilusional
or a compulsive liar.
What pisses me off is after following along with your thread with DmB
where he points to each flaw and reason for it, inch by inch and handed
you your own ass as a crown to wear for all to see, you declare victory
and vindication. I mean, what the heck?
There is a line between steadfast and ignorance and I think you
crossed it years ago.
But you are all correct, if I do not like what you say I should
just stop reading you posts. But you are so bombastic that
it becomes difficult at times.
I will not interupt again even if I do think you are talking out your
ass.
the emperor indeed, has no cloths.
-Ron
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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Skepticism&Behaviour
Michael and Andre
17 March.
Michael writes:
> The degree of personal vindiction in here is thick enough to cut with
> a knife. Its too bad.. It makes thinking things through with words in
> here *very* difficult. Why can't we all agree to respect each others'
> views, listen to ideas and thoughts, debate them, even with vigor, but
> not make it *personal*? There are some here who seem to have no
> problem doing so.
Hi Michael
If this pertains to Ron Kulp's "blow-out" I certainly agree about
listening to ideas, but never mind him. Not to get personal, but he
is desperate for attention and when I don't bother with him he gets
pissed. I've been through such before and am impervious, if only
the MOQ (as I interprets it) serves me I'm fine.
Andre writes:
> I know that Bodvar can look after himself but do want to say this: I
> cannot think of anyone here on this Discuss being more committed to the
> MoQ than he is. He has defended his SOL/ MOQ position for more than ten
> years now and has copped flack from many. He has also pulled many into
> line when he felt they were straying too far from the MoQ path. And has
> been appreciated for that!
Thanks a lot Andre, I may be single-minded to the point of
monomania and have "pestered" this discussion with the SOL
interpretation of the MOQ for X years, but for the reason that it IS
the MOQ and by now there is no opposition to it except when
people has to take a stand, then they either "don't understand" or
"the MOQ is Pirsig's property" *).
*) Note that Pirsig always says "..the MOQ", never "my MOQ"
Bodvar
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