[Marsha]
And what 'idealism' and 'delusional mysticism' might that be?   Even 
your precious perceptions are mere conceptual constructs.  The eye, 
light, optic nerve and brain are all conventional, conceptual 
constructs.   Is there even one thing that is not dependent on being 
conceptually constructed and established by conventional agreement?

[Krimel]
The mystic delusion is that somehow one can escape mere conceptual
constructs. Being at "one" is no less a conceptual construct than regarding
sensation as manifold. The problem with idealism is that is has no roots to
pin it down it is a set of concepts free of sensible restraint. The world is
all in your head, if you can meaningfully be said to have a head.  

However one regards the dependence or independence of one thing on another
it is a conceptual construct. My argument has always been about the
flexibility, and power of a particular way of seeing. It is about adopting
the smallest number of concepts to account for the greatest amount of
perception. It is a set of concepts that inherently suspicious of
themselves.

And just for the record what does it mean to say that all things are
mutually dependant? Does your existence in the good old USofA require the
existence of each individual quark in the Orion nebula? Does dependence mean
necessity in your book?

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