[Ham]
It's futile to discuss metaphysical concepts with you, Arlo, since
you reject the fundamental separation of mind and matter. For you
everything must be explained as a biological process...
[Arlo]
You keep saying this over and over, but it ain't true. Let me see if
I can make it even simpler for you.
YOU said, "conscious awareness is not part of the organism". This is
YOUR claim.
YOU said, "[but] it is identified with a particular individual
[organism]". This is YOUR claim.
I asked simply... HOW does this happen?
If "conscious awareness" is not part of the organism, where is it?
Where does it reside? Does it "float nearby" the particular
individual it is identified with?
Does its existence precede the "individual" it is associated with, or
do they come into existence simultaneously?
How does it come to latch onto a specific individual?
*I* am not making ANY claims about it being a "biological process".
None. In fact, I've made no claims whatsoever. That's just your
rehashed ruse to avoid the questions.
Now, YOU have also said that "conscious awareness" is not a
biological process. So it is not something that develops as the
result of our developing neural connections.
Fair enough, I say, Ham claims it is not biological.
YOU also have claimed that it does not stem from social activity, so
that "conscious awareness" is not a "social language" embedded atop
our neural connections.
Fair enough, I say, Ham claims it is not social.
So... it's not social, and its not biological. What IS it?
I assume it comes to be "identified with a particular individual"
somehow? Right? If this "identification" is not made biologically or
socially, then HOW?
This is about as simple as I can make it. Not that I expect any sort of answer.
[Ham]
We humans do not choose the organism with which we are identitifed in life.
[Arlo]
This would imply that your consciousness preceded its
"identification" with your body. Yes?
[Ham]
Rather than "being placed there by God", I prefer to think of
individual self-awareness as a negated microcosm of absolute
sensibility. Does that answer your question?
[Arlo]
Yikes! No, because you substitute a claim for a process. How does
being a "negated microcosm" explain how "conscious awareness" comes
to be "identified with a particular organism"?
I mean, c'mon...
Joey: So how does "conscious awareness" come to be "identified with a
particular individual"?
Hammy: Its a negated microcosm of absolute sensibility.
Joey: Oh, yeah, that explains it.
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