[Krimel] "Ultimate reality" is a meaningless concept. Perhaps that is what attracts you to it. It can mean whatever you like.
[Arlo] If there is an Ultimate Reality, is there a Penultimate Reality... What about an Antepenultimate Reality? (Insert Monty Python Last But One Supper joke) But here here, its truly just an emotive word, used to evoke "God" without saying "God". I wouldn't even know what "being attracted to Ultimate Reality" is. I am attracted to Scarlett Johansson, does that count? Of course, if you recall, Ham the "Philosopher" postulated that "Essence" created us inferior "negated microcosms" so that it would have something that would adore it. No wonder then that Ham feels we should be attracted to this pitifully ego-driven but philosophically vapid concept. [Krimel] Actually the concept of God makes some sense to me, as does the attraction of Scarlett Johansson. Both of them are at least honest. For Ham we are "negates" tricked into the illusion of free will. The past and future are fixed and constant. We in our ignorance are just going through the motions. And yet he claims we are nihilists. I would say Essentialists or rather the Essentialist (I don't think the messiah are rounded up his first convert yet) makes us look like cockeyed optimists. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
