[Joe] As I read the above I have no idea of the metaphysical implications. In SOM the division of everything is into substance and nine accidents. The first two accidents are Quality and Quantity. In MOQ there is only DQ undefined and SQ defined Quality. Substance and accidents are merely descriptive metaphors in MOQ.
[Krimel] OK, but as I keep saying there is no problem defining DQ; it is Quality that is undefined. DQ can be estimated in terms of probability but not exactly specified and predicted so if that is what you mean by undefined, sure. Also I suspect that there have been a lot more than nine accidents but who is counting? [Joe] I feel the uneasiness about science is the lack of metaphysical specifics. In SOM mathematics cannot be applied to Quality only to Quantity. Modern Science rejects SOM and proclaims that it has metaphysical status with a mathematical language. Hopefully on a MOQ discussion list, some attempt will be made to discuss the language of mathematics, Quantity, in terms of Quality as Krimel has suggested. Or maybe such a discussion is doomed from a lack of specifics. [Krimel] I think this becomes clearer when we look at another term Pirsig uses in connection with Quality; Value. Value has a qualitative context which is what Pirsig really uses it for. We Value certain kinds of experience and don't Value others. But Value can also be assigned so that sometimes we Value gasoline at $2 per gallon and at others $4 per gallon. Values change from time to time but that Value is always specifiable. That is what economics is all about. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
