Per western culture, Bo is correct and defining the intellecetual level as the value of the s/o divide is useful in this context. Where Bo and I disagree is assuming that the s/o divide IS the intellectual level for all life in an evolutionary context. It fails because it takes anthropomorphic leanings toward cultural-centric assumptions about expereince by projecting our language structure onto it. -Ron
________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 6:35:09 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Science Wars Greetings all, Bo is correct in thinking it would be best to describe the Intellectual Level as the S/O level. It seems to me that all these levels contain patterns that represent conceptually constructed entities of both the general and particular type, and that as concepts they are all a product of a post-s/o thinking. And patterns in the Intellectual Level include the awareness of having separated subject from object. OMG, that feels good. Now it's time to go off dancing with a moon shadow for a while. Marsha Marsha At 04:17 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote: >Hello Will, > >It has been interesting to think about science, quantum this and >that, evolutionary this and that, genetic this and that, all >fascinating, like daffodils as yellow this and thats. Science as a >general pattern is very large and powerful; it is an institution >capable of producing both benevolence and malevolence. I am not >willing to judge science as being more than 'it is what it is', >patterns conceptually constructed and existing conventionally. I >could never settle for the theories that science provides, and think >you, being a trained scientist, are a bit too prejudice. > >I sometimes wonder if Bo is correct in thinking it would be best to >describe the Intellectual Level as the S/O level, but maybe that's >just reflecting my own conceptual limitations. > > >Marsha > > > >At 01:27 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote: > >>Hi Marsha, >> >>The big bang theory has some problems with it. I think the >>whole idea is based on our infatuation with evolution. Because >>we think we can explain why animal bones look the way they >>do, we use it to explain everything. I have presented by view of >>evolution in previous posts. >> >>Tom van Flandern has a good article on the issues with the >>big bang, showing how most data supports a static universe, >>at http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/DidTheUniverseHaveABeginning.asp >> >>Don't believe everything those scientist tell you (I know you don't :-). >> >>Cheers, >>Willblake2 >> >>On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:24:20 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>At 11:13 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote: >> >Marsha: >> > >> >The age of the universe would be shorter than the age of oldest stars. This >> >contradiction implies that either 1) our measurement of the Hubble constant >> >is incorrect, 2) the Big Bang theory is incorrect or 3) that we need a form >> >of matter like a cosmological constant that implies an older age >> for a given >> >observed expansion rate >> > >> >Hi Marsha, >> > >> >Or that there are/ have been more 'bangs'.? >> > >> >Andre >> >> >>Bangettes? Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang... >> >> >>. >>_____________ >> >>Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... >>. >>. >> >>Moq_Discuss mailing list >>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>Archives: >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >>Moq_Discuss mailing list >>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>Archives: >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >. >_____________ > >Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... >. >. >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ . _____________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... . . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
