Thanks Marsha You said:
> Hey Bo, Interesting review... > http://www.amazon.com/Road-Robert-Pirsig-Anthony-McWatt/dp/B0027FG1K4/ > ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1241790653&sr=1-1 I may use this to some more comments. (PS, wish you hadn't given so easily in to Ron regarding your second thoughts on the SOL) ----------------------------------------- MOQers. A short visit. I have just received Anthony McWatt's "On the Road with Robert Pirsig" DVD. As a documentary about "Zen and the Art ..." the film is good, but in it RMP maintains the flaw that mars orthodox MOQ when he refers to Phaedrus in a level context and says it was a social vs intellectual struggle case, i.e. bigoted Mid-West US as "society" against Phaedrus as "intellect". This is clearly wrong, it was INTELLECT VERSUS THE BUDDING MOQ , i.e. the intellect-steeped Western Culture that tried to keep Phaedrus within its premises and when he didn't heed the warnings it's immune apparatus struck him down. The mystery is why Pirsig maintains this flaw. If the goal is to avoid the SOL the cost begins to wear the MOQ thin, not many aspects of it is now "legal". And it shows, no one applies it on anything and that's because it is removed from its original goal and devoured by intellect - by academy. For instance the "immune system" analogy has to be skipped because the way he describes it it's clear that intellect and SOM are identical. SOM is not a pattern that has corrupted intellect, but its very "stem cell" LILA Chap. 26 (my caps) "As long as you're stuck with the old conventions, insanity is going to be a "MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE OBJECT BY THE SUBJECT." The object is real, the subject is mistaken. The only problem is how to change the subject's mind back to a correct comprehension of objective reality." "Old conventions" is SOM and inside SOM - or the intellectual level - the great offense is not being objective - .f.ex. not realizing that you are ill if hearing voices - and intellect's means to maintain objective discipline - its immune system - is psychiatry. For God's sake all this psycho stuff is supposed to be SCIENCE and by default objective. It's obvious and in LILA he maintains this view. "Now, years later, his resentment against what had happened in the hospital had lessened, and he began to see that there is, of course, a need for psychiatrists just as there is for cops. Somebody has to deal with the degenerate forms of society and intellect." See, he regards "cops" (law enforcement) as the social (level's) immune-system while psychiatry is intellect's ditto. And "degenerate forms of intellect" is when objectivity is violated "The thing to understand is that if you are going to reform society you don't start with cops. And if you are going to reform intellect you don't start with psychiatrists. If you don't like our present social system or intellectual system the best thing you can do with either cops or psychiatrists is stay out of their way. You leave them till last. Who do you start with then? . . . Anthropologists?" See, he realized that any head-on attack on intellect - on SOM - would be futile so LILA's opening move had to be "camouflaged", but I'm afraid that even the anthropologic approach fails to make any dent in intellect's armor and the reason is that Pirsig's own intellectual component) identified his own original (intellect=SOM) interpretation as dangerous and de-fused it by making the MOQ just another intellectual pattern. As said a thousand times: Intellect is a MOQ pattern, not the other way round. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
