A third thought...
There is also the differentiation between intellectual patterns and
intelligence. Intellectual patterns are supposed to be divorced from
value, while I define intelligence as having everything to do with
value. Intelligence is not a collection of intellectual patterns but
a process of thinking directly based on value. In fact RMP at the
end of LILA advises that it would be using intelligence to kill all
intellectual patterns and go for Dynamic Quality. So Ron's shaman
may have great innate, insightful intelligence and not possess one
single intellectual pattern. Intellectual patterns are just an
evolutionary movement, that does not mean they are not a
maladaptation, or as Krishnamurti might say 'mankind taking a wrong turn'.
Marsha
At 05:04 AM 5/9/2009, you wrote:
Sorry, another second thought...
I see the Intellectual level as containing patterns having the full
recognition of the subject/object split, and defining the subjective
portion a hindrance to discovering the absolute Truth of Reality, a
point-of-view that is built into the patterns. Using various
mechanisms, intellectual patterns attempt to diminish the subject
portion leaving the objective free from subjective value. How crazy
is that!!!!
An understanding that both subject and object are mutually created
and interconnected based on _value_ just is a whole better
point-of-view. This is my interpretation and humble opinion.
Marsha
At 04:34 AM 5/9/2009, you wrote:
Hello Bo,
I didn't give in to Ron. As presented, he has an opinion without a
basis, but states he is working on an argument with some kind of
evidence. He seems to be stating that som is a intellectual
pattern. I am suggesting that all intellectual patterns are
subject/object in nature. But I haven't endorsed your SOL theory
either, I merely stated that the Intellectual Level contain
patterns of the s/o variety. The Metaphysics of Quality still
seems to be an intellectual pattern, and I still do not want to see
a meta-level that in any way contains, constrains or defines Dynamic Quality.
Marsha
At 04:10 AM 5/9/2009, you wrote:
Thanks Marsha
You said:
> Hey Bo, Interesting review...
> http://www.amazon.com/Road-Robert-Pirsig-Anthony-McWatt/dp/B0027FG1K4/
> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1241790653&sr=1-1
I may use this to some more comments. (PS, wish you hadn't given so
easily in to Ron regarding your second thoughts on the SOL)
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