Marsha to Ron: I was wondering if you think, like I do, that Arlo, Platt and Krimel are enmeshed in a subject/object discussion that can only conclude in conflict? Blah, blah, blah... Where is their interconnectedness acknowledged? Where is their relatedness accepted? Does anybody see issues as ever-changing patterns? And talk about egos?
[Krimel] It sounds to me like you don't know what the debate is really about then. In terms of political debate it shows the contrast between the two streams of world politics that dominated the past century. It is about the tension between the individual and society. It is the struggle between order and chaos. Its structure is polar. Platt has staked out a position on the extreme right. It is Randian. In my view it is a position so extremely individualistic that the libertarians are wary of it. It is Reaganism. I don't think either Arlo or I really advocate communism or any form of absolute accumulation of power. But both us wind up voicing extreme positions on occasion to highlight the contrast between the poles. But just the way the argument is structured is relevant. Polar opposites colliding. Bouncing into nooks and crannies of current events and historical minutia. The dynamic tension of between the individual and the collective stretched out in time, shattering into fractals of infinite detail. It is me against y'all. Us against them. Or it can be: me and you, a team, a marriage, a family, a nation. Cooperation versus conflict. It is an essential distinction between western individualist thinking and eastern collective understanding. It affects everything from how we allocate private and public property to how we raise our children. I am sorry if the quality of the argument is not up to your standards. But I hope it illustrates to any discerning reader that Platt's position was justifiably and soundly rejected in the last election. When the pendulum swings just a bit more, Platt and his neocon ilk will be back to the fringe where they belong. In the mean time you could try to actually be the voice of reason or hold your breath, close your eyes and walk on. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
