Krimel,
Just like the subject and object are mutually created, so are the
individual and collective. It's an old-world struggle for old-world
men. Blah, blah, blah... Platt creates an Arlo, Arlo creates a
Platt, and both fight dirty. Blah, blah, balh... Both the
Conservatives and Liberals in Gov't have lost their virtue. Blah,
blah, blah... Instead of polarity how about seeing
interconnectedness; how about discovering something new. That's N-E-W.
Marsha
At 02:49 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote:
Marsha to Ron:
I was wondering if you think, like I do, that Arlo, Platt and Krimel
are enmeshed in a subject/object discussion that can only conclude in
conflict? Blah, blah, blah... Where is their interconnectedness
acknowledged? Where is their relatedness accepted? Does anybody see
issues as ever-changing patterns? And talk about egos?
[Krimel]
It sounds to me like you don't know what the debate is really about then. In
terms of political debate it shows the contrast between the two streams of
world politics that dominated the past century. It is about the tension
between the individual and society. It is the struggle between order and
chaos.
Its structure is polar. Platt has staked out a position on the extreme
right. It is Randian. In my view it is a position so extremely
individualistic that the libertarians are wary of it. It is Reaganism.
I don't think either Arlo or I really advocate communism or any form of
absolute accumulation of power. But both us wind up voicing extreme
positions on occasion to highlight the contrast between the poles.
But just the way the argument is structured is relevant. Polar opposites
colliding. Bouncing into nooks and crannies of current events and historical
minutia. The dynamic tension of between the individual and the collective
stretched out in time, shattering into fractals of infinite detail. It is me
against y'all. Us against them. Or it can be: me and you, a team, a
marriage, a family, a nation. Cooperation versus conflict.
It is an essential distinction between western individualist thinking and
eastern collective understanding. It affects everything from how we allocate
private and public property to how we raise our children.
I am sorry if the quality of the argument is not up to your standards. But I
hope it illustrates to any discerning reader that Platt's position was
justifiably and soundly rejected in the last election. When the pendulum
swings just a bit more, Platt and his neocon ilk will be back to the fringe
where they belong.
In the mean time you could try to actually be the voice of reason or hold
your breath, close your eyes and walk on.
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