Hi Marsha, I hadn't thought of the words in that way before.
Nice. Yes, letting go of self, of the ego, of self consciousness. The attainment of truth, liberation, as the Upanishads, Buddha, Taoism, Zen, would all claim. I believe in that and am working towards that too. I would seem from recent interpretations of MoQ (which is obviously still in the making) that such release is not consistent with this philosophy. In fact the claim is we are subject to group behavior not individual expression. But, as Pirsig has said in interviews, MoQ is waiting for the next independent thinker, to carry it along. It would seem Pirsig is waiting as well. Plato had his academy, current philosophies have the Internet. Much more powerful and capable of generating a synthesis of ideas, and even new ones, if there is actually something new under the sun. What an opportunity! Me, I want to live from the inside out, not the outside in; I want to radiate, not absorb, , I wantto be a sun, not a black hole, I want to be responsible, not a victim. All this can result from freedom of the confining, needing, ego, "grasping and clinging" as a translation of the early writers of Buddha's teachings would stress. Cheers, Willblake2 On May 18, 2009, at 12:58:47 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Will, The song 'Suicide is Painless' seems to be perfect to accompany your Alan Watts piece. It is about life and very playful For me, it's always been about the suicide of the ego, 'and I and take or leave it, if I please', and 'The sword of time will pierce our skins'. The reference to time is ego. It seems full Buddhist wisdom relating to pain and suffering, and letting go. I bet Alan Watts would have loved the song. Here are the lyrics: Through early morning fog I see visions of the things to be The pains that are withheld for me I realize and I can see . . . That suicide is painless it brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please. I try to find a way to make all our little joys relate Without that ever-present hate but now I know that it's too late, and . . .That suicide is painless it brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please. The game of life is hard to play. I'm gonna lose it anyway. The losing card I'll someday lay so this is all I have to say. That suicide is painless it brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please. The only way to win is cheat and lay it down before I'm beat, and to another give my seat for that's the only painless feat. That suicide is painless it brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please. The sword of time will pierce our skins it doesn't hurt when it begins But as it works its way on in the pain grows stronger . . . watch it grin, but . . . That suicide is painless it brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please. A brave man once requested me to answer questions that are key 'Is it to be or not to be' and I replied 'oh why ask me?' That suicide is painless it brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please. And you can do the same thing if you choose. ____ At 03:08 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: >Bring back so many memories. Thanks for that, it made my day! > >Willblake2 > > >On May 17, 2009, at 10:33:51 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >An analogy with music, my favorite song: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yc52NckGLs > > >Marsha > > > > > > >At 01:20 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: > > >Grab a cup of coffee, relax, spend 9 minutes with Alan Watts "Is > it serious?" > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asqd1H4IluQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdeoxy% > 2Eorg%2Fvidplay%3Fv%3Dasqd1H4IluQ&feature=player_embedded > > > >Willblake2 > > . _____________ The self is a thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, static patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality. . . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
