> > > In the MOQ, matter arises from experience, not the other way around. Time > arises from experience as well, so it arises independently of matter. > > I am unsure what you mean when you say: So we just toss E=mc2 out the > window? Equations do not arise from matter. They are ideas. They arise from > experience independently of matter. >
Hi Dan, I wasn't talking about the equation "as" an equation, I was talking about what the equation represents - the relativity of time and space. There is a problem still, but not a big problem. The problem is that we properly (if we want to be proper about it) speak of "the space-time continuum" when we talk about this cosmic stuff because we have evolved intellectually to the point where we understand this relativity. Matter is pretty much the same as space, as far as I can see. Matter is composed of space and space is composed of matter. And time is related to both. So I would disagree with bob if he said that time was independent of matter. And I would disagree with him if he said that time precedes matter, but I think he said "probably" and you can't really disagree with an equivocation so I'll just state for the record that I think the _best_ metaphysical outlook is that the relativistic space-matter/time continuum arises from experience, with no preference or precedence for either since they arise together always. Although, it's a bit tautological since what is experience but the experience of the relativistic space-matter/time continuum? which if you didn't go any deeper than that you'd have problems, like Ham evidently does, dealing with this as a solid metaphysical foundation. However as I see it, the solid metaphysical foundation upon which the MoQ rests is that Quality is demonstrably real and outside of or beyond the context of either the experience-er or the experienc-ed. Once you got that, the rest is just singing and dancing. And some song and dance is better than others. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
