On May 25, 2009, at 11:09:02 AM, "Dan Glover" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello everyone ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:47:17 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] LC: Expanded Annotation 57 > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, MarshaV wrote: > >> >> 57. In the MOQ time is dependent on experience >> independently of matter. Matter is a deduction from >> experience. >> > > So we just toss E=mc2 out the window? > > I think (unless it can be explained better to me) that the realization of > object precedes or arises with the realization of time. Time = change and > you can't have "change" without some"thing" changing. Hi John In the MOQ, matter arises from experience, not the other way around. Time arises from experience as well, so it arises independently of matter. I am unsure what you mean when you say: So we just toss E=mc2 out the window? Equations do not arise from matter. They are ideas. They arise from experience independently of matter. Does this help to better answer your question? Dan Hi all, Willblake2 here, I saw E=mc2, thought I'd jump in to see if physics has any bearing on MoQ. What this equation symbolizes is that energy and matter are identical. We can convert one to the other simply using a constant number, that is the speed of light times itself. A very large number compared to numbers we are used to dealing with, but just a number like "2". To simplify, we could say that one mass is two energies. In the equation is the speed of light, which is distance traveled over time. This is where time comes into the picture. That is time separates distances. Einstein loved this kind of metaphysical stuff. Was a mystic in his own way, non of this spiritual unity stuff, but in trying to sort out the underlying fabric of reality. So what is so special about the speed of light? Well for one a photon (pure energy) zips around at that speed. More importantly, it is thought that the speed is constant. That is if you are traveling at half the speed of light, and shine a flashlight it will appear to leave you at the speed of light, to someone standing by the road, the light from the flashlight will also leave at the speed of light (not 1 + a half speed). Einstein got to thinking about this and said that what is happening is that time is slowing down the faster you go. Therefore since the speed of light should be going at one and a half times, time goes slower to make up for this. That time slows down with speed has been shown in the lab, and in fact satellites and GPS systems take this slowing down into account for accuracy. OK, nothing new there. Now the limits of speed are 0 (zero) and the speed of light (SOL). Nothing goes slower than zero, nothing goes faster than SOL. Now, at the SOL, time does not move, it stays at 0. At our speed time moves along. Lets say, for metaphysical purposes that we switch the limits, and say that the speed of light is zero, and we are moving at close to the speed of light. This is just using a different reference. It makes sense to use the speed of light as zero, since time is stopped at that point. Therefore, light is dead still, and we are rushing through it. Imagine the wind of time blowing through your hair, you can feel it. When you are stopped along with light there is not wind, no time passing by. I would reference this thought experiment but I have not found it on the internet yet. OK, so we are moving very fast and we experience time. However at every instant time does not move. At every instant we are dead still, because an instant is so small that no time has passed. This is the Now. If the perception of Quality into our consciousness happens during this instant we could feel it. We would be going through infinitely short starts and stops. This would be a physics analogy of how Quality comes before time, in fact it is the background upon which time happens. An analogy of all this would be that Quality is the white background on a page in a book, and time is the written words. Although we are jumping through time, Quality is always there in the background. Time is caused by speed which is distance per time. This would mean that for time to appear by itself, distance would have to dissapear. There is no distance between us and Quality. You take out time by stopping and you have just Quality left. We could say that light is pure Quality (no time). And once again we can worship the Sun. Hope this made some sense, thanks for your time. Willblake2 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
