> > > dmb says:
> Even if all idealists agreed that the so-called external world is > inseparable from mind or consciousness, they might still disagree as to what > sort of mind or consciousness was meant. That is for sure, Mr. Buchanan sir; idealism is a tent that houses an awful lot of variety. As I'm learning. [dmb] It seems we don't have any major disagreements between Royce and the radical empiricists (James, Dewey, Pirsig, etc) on this particular point. To the extent that they are idealists, they would all be idealists of the non-subjective variety. I suppose it'll be Royce's absolutism and religiosity that'll distinguish him from these others. [John] Yes and my barely-formed hypothesis concerning Royce's religiosity is that it is the main reason for his relative obscurity. But I must say, reading him in light of Pirsig reminded me of when Phaedrus sat down and read the Lao Tzu substituting Quality for the Tao. When I read Royce's description of Absolute Thought and substitute Quality, I get a similar shiver. [dmb] I'll bet there are books and papers about the disagreements between Royce and James. If a guy wanted to split hairs in that area, he'd look into them. This guy doesn't want to do that, at least not right away. I'm just saying, IF a guy wanted to... [John] dibs! I'm game. I've always been a fan of the underdog. The theme of the last meeting of the Josiah Royce Society was titled "Josiah Royce and the Lost Cause". I've got a rough outline of the main differences between James and Royce which I don't have time to set out this morning... maybe a long lunch today. There is a website for a 2007 conference at Harvard Divinity School entitled "William James and Josiah Royce a Century Later; Idealism and Pragmatism in Dialogue" which contains streaming media of scholars reading their papers so you don't have to do any reading. I like to listen as I drop off to sleep. Streaming Video of All Presentations<http://www.hds.harvard.edu/jamesroyce2007/Program.html> I did notice that scholars, as a rule, are not very good readers. And sincere appreciation for just being here for me David. I find your knowledge and insights extremely valuable and I'll profit from any criticism you can throw my way and I PROMISE I will never say "fuck you" if you see fit to refute my brilliance. John "Serve the whole God, not the irrationally separate part that thy delusions have made thee suppose to be an independent thing. Live out thy life in its whole meaning for behold, it is God's life." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
