On May 30, 2009, at 8:40:26 AM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote:
From:   Krimel <[email protected]>
Subject:    Re: [MD] The Self?
Date:   May 30, 2009 8:40:26 AM PDT
To: [email protected]
[John]
Let me see how many of mine you've read:

The River Why, David James Duncan
Vineland, Pynchon
The First Third, Neal Cassady
The Humiliation of the Word, Jaques Ellul 
Bluebeard, Vonnegut 
Dharma Bums, Kerouac 
Desert Solitaire, Ed Abbey 
The Great Controversy, EG White 
A Different Drum, M. Scott Peck 
Natural Way of Farming, Masanobu Fukuoka

[Willblake2]
Here you go:
ZMM  -Robert Pirsig
A thousand Years of Solitude  -G.G. Marquez
Sometimes a Great Notion  - Ken Kesey
The French Lieutenant's Woman  -John Fowles
Labyrinths and other short stories  -J.L Borges
Cryptonomicon  - Neal Stephenson
Kafka on the Beach -Murakami
Gravity's Rainbow -Thomas Pynchon
Cat's Cradle -Kurt Vonegut
Even Cow Girls Get the Blues -Tom Robbins

[Krimel]
Here are ten books that most inform my view of the MoQ. Lao Tsu is first but
the others are in no particular order:

The Tao te Ching, Lao Tsu
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams
Chaos, James Gleick
On Human Nature, E.O. Wilson
Walden Two, B.F. Skinner
Some Problems of Philosophy, William James
Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea, Charles Seife
The Gnostic Gospels, Elaine Pagles
The Neuromancer, William Gibson
Blink, Malcolm Gladwell

Hi Krimel,

I've read 6 of those.  Which were all great.  I find that I read fiction for
the joy
of adventure and non fiction for the joy of learning and thinking.  There is
a lot of overlap of course.  Sometimes I wonder how much of an
autobiography is non-fiction.

I just grabbed a few books from my shelf, which is my most recent readings
to try to understand what we call Quality.  Some I read many years ago
and had to reread.  I would consider these non-fiction: In no particular
order.

The Perennial Philosophy  -Aldus Huxley
Krishnamurti to Himself  - J. Krishnamurti
The I Ching - trans. by Wilhelm
The Last Barrier  -Reshad Field
The Active Side of Infinity - Carlos Castaneda
The Return of the Perennial Philosophy -John Holman
Tree of Saphires - David Goddard
Life on Other Planets -Emanuel Swedenborg
The Secret Teachings of all Ages  -Manly P. Hall
One: Essential Writings of Nonduality  -ed Jerry Katz

I am not sure why I bought some of these books originally, but they
all were interesting.  I am not sure if there are favorites there, although
some were pretty inspiring.  I'm not even sure why I pulled these off
my shelf.  Must be Quality at work.

[Krimel]
I found John Hogan's Ration Mysticism to be an effect antidote to many of
these. Like any good wizard, I was involved in Freemasonry for a time and am
familiar with Hall and that branch of the esoteric. Ultimately I found the
whole thing to be a mishmash of folklore, wishful thinking and confusion. I
think Castaneda is a great example of my problem with all of this. I have
read all of his books except the one you mention. He is a great writer, one
of my favorites but the sad truth is Castaneda was a fraud.

Hi Krimel,

I often wondered whether what Castaneda was writing was real or imaginary or 
an embellishment 
of real occurrences or a wonderful trip on mescaline.  In the end it did not 
matter to me.  It was
a story, just like all of our lives are stories.  The real part doesn't really 
matter.  His last book was
completed just before he died, and is kind of a farewell.

I will try John Hogan's book as another point of view.

Cheers,
Willblake2



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