> [Arlo previously] > How does a "free market" provide a "court system" without "the > coercive nature"? > > [Nick previously] > It is human nature to reason. As social animals most people pursue > to minimize > conflict in their actions, unless they criminal. The court system does not > need coercion to operate. People gladly want justice for the most part. > > [Arlo] > They do. And that's why we have governance. And the courts. As for "the court > system does not need coercion to operate", just try not showing up the next > time you are sued.
Nick: ah, no, the court system we have now is a monopoly of coercion action. The better statement is: Try to start up your own court with qualified judges and lawyers partaking and have it recognized. > [Arlo previously] > How would a "free market" provide wildlife conservation without "coercion" by > evil little forest rangers with the backing of guvmint guns? How would the > "free market" provide "police"? And while we have "toll roads", I certainly > don't want to live in a world where I have to stop every minute or so to pay > someone's "toll" to cross their "private property". > > [Nick previously] > Easy, people want these things now. You don't need to coerce people to have > this happen. > > [Arlo] > They do, and that's why we have governance and government regulation of public > lands, conservation and hunting lands. No coercion? Nick: The government enacts these regulations by the point of the gun. Try to disobey the governments arbitrary laws and you'll have a gun comin' after you. Arlo: > Tell that to the guy who wants to build a house in your favorite state park. > Tell that to > the hunter who wants to bag unlimited kills. Nick: A civil society can agree upon such parks and limits of kills. It doesn't need a monopoly government to have this happen. The government is useless in the face of reason. I remember the Church of Reason passage of Pirsig's in ZMM about the coercive government forcing students to pass and coercing what professors can teach. A real university isn't about the church or the bar. The truth can be reasoned anywhere and need not be forced upon people. Yeah in Montana the politicians were screwing up and Pirsig had a challenge in front of him to show the student's the misconception of accreditation. "The real University, he said, has no specific location. It owns no property, pays no salaries and receives no material dues. The real University is a state of mind... Confusion continually occurs in people who fail to see this difference, he said, and think that control of the church buildings implies control of the church. They see professors as employees of the second university who should abandon reason when told to and take orders with no backtalk, the same way employees do in other corporations. They see the second university, but fail to see the first... True churchmen in such situations must act as though they had never heard these threats. Their primary goal never is to serve the community ahead of everything else. Their primary goal is to serve, through reason, the goal of truth." (ZMM; Ch. 13) I'm serving the primary goal of truth through reason. I'm talking about natural law. A civil society is completely about law and justice. It is not arbritary. It is about the natural rights of liberty, life (person), and property. This is about minimizing conflict using the NAP. > [Nick previously] > And who said you would have to pay every minute - that's a non-sequitur. > > [Arlo] > You'd have to pay whatever toll the "property/road owner" wanted you to pay to > cross his land. Each time you entered someone else's space, you'd have to pay > them. Sound like fun to you? Nick: Again non-sequitur, nobody said that would happen, so, you're off topic. You're appeal to emotivism isn't intellectually grasping. Nick -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
