> [Nick previously] > The law with individuals to back them up with enforce it. > > [Arlo] > I.e., "government".
Nick: No. Government is a territory monopoly. You volunteer to join a natural law enforcer. You don't volunteer to join a government. Government is mandated. > [Nick previously] > Voluntary pay by those that want the park, not forced taxes. > > [Arlo] > Happily, we don't have a system where a lapse of charity would mean the end of > our wonderful public resources. Instead, we agree civilly to support public > land initiatives with taxation. Nick: Wrong. It is not civil when taxation is coerced. Park land can be a person's or co-opted property. Violation of the park is a violation of property rights. When the government owns the park it is arbritary and the government dictates what "it" thinks is best, not for what the people would desire to do with the park voluntarily. Big difference between voluntary civil society that is spontaneous and government that is involuntary. Arlo: > If you disagree, vote in people who want to > privatize the lands. Nick: Nope. I will not give legitimacy to criminals. Property rights and thus natural law are cut and dry. Plain-spoken. Government is arbritary and violates liberties to get things done. Arlo: > Just don't come moaning to me when your favorite trails > are suddenly replaced by Wal-Marts. Nick: More emotive irrational garbage that isn't reality and is arbitrarily surmised by you. It's a non-sequitur. > [Nick previously] > Of course tolls, but that doesn't mean you'll be paying a toll every minute. > > [Arlo] > You'd pay a new toll every time you crossed into someone new's land. Or do you > envision one owner owning most of the state, and so you'd pay one > toll to drive on all of his roads? Nick: I'm not a mind-reader unlike the Keynesian economists in the universities now that think they know what consumers value so coerce the free market with their irrational bad economic science. The free market is about meeting people's demands. It is not about what businesses dictate. Businesses sell what consumers demand or else they go out of business unless there's a government monopoly that doesn't allow malinvestments to be purged out of the economy thereby each new bubble just gets bigger. > [Nick previously] > So you're off-topic and being emotive, irrational. > > [Arlo] > I am not, I am asking what your no-government world would look like. Nick: More socialist needs to plan the world for everybody by you. I'm not a mind reader and I don't coerce people into what I think is best. Using intellect is a more rational way to understand the world. > [Nick previously] > The government is the coercive middle-man not doing the actual roadwork. > > [Arlo] > It funds roads in the public's best interests. I support this. If you want a > nation of nothing but toll roads, good luck to you. Nick: Toll roads are more efficient. Get rid of the middle-man government that doesn't do any of the work except redistribute the wealth using coercion instead of reasonable tactics. Difference between taxes and toll roads. Taxes are coercive and toll roads are voluntary. People demand roads. A thriving business will offer it to them. It's the civil way of acquiring needs and uninterested beautifications instead of initiating physical coercion to get what people already want via their free-will. Nick -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
