Ha, olive branch appreciated Nick. I have to say stating your personal opinions about the qualities of the individuals is a no win game (all about what you don't say about about one but say about another - good or bad). It's why Ad Hominem is really the only worthwhile moderation rule. (Personal comments best by personal mail ... or eyeball to eyeball.)
Not beaten - When I say "lifes too short" I'm just choosing my battles - and this is not the only battleground ;-) Irony & rhetorical games - don't work well in e-mail. If you want to take an extreme position as a thought experiment, it's good manners to make it explicit - boring I know. Ian On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:40 AM, blue-jay maple<[email protected]> wrote: > Everybody, > > I would like to say that I am feeling more safe with some of you. Ron, > you helped me feel safe with your very civil discourse and understanding. > We, meaning anybody, can differ on approaches. We can disagreed on > government. So be it, but I think it is best to be honest on how events are. > Sure some people may tolerate the government and may find safety in > how it works. At least I feel a sense of honor with that person who can > come out and admit their adherence, but don't try to defend injustice. I know > that is difficult and it may seem more my personal opinion for those that > tolerate the government. But I have taken liberty to the radical extreme in > deduction. At least you know that I am for peace and I would never IPC > (initiate physical coercion), so, at least people can surmise that from what > I've > discussed. I know I believe in liberty very strongly and have reasoned it > through > to a considered radicalness to some (though I am no more radical than all > those > now and before that took liberty to such extremes). I can't say I am any > better or worse > for what I pursue, but I think you can at least perceive that my effort is > born > of peace (NAP) and that is my effort in life. I don't think that is bad, I > think that is a > good event to strive for - to minimize conflict. So I offer the olive branch > and I know I > have shaken the foundation of what some people believe. I am trying and my > effort is born of care and fear. Yes fear because of what I perceive and > what that means > in conclusion, and I have feared what some people have said in this forum. > It has > frightened me tremendously. I am fragile. I just want peace. I am glad I > found some > people who have tried to reach out and understand my peaceful intentions > instead of > some others who I see as very dangerous in their irrational dismissal (Krimel > and dmb). > > Arlo: I highly respect your pursuance. I love how you really feel strongly > about something > you believe in. You are a very principled person and I can see you don't > compromise in > what you believe in. I greatly admire that. And I thank you. > > M K: I am happy you stepped forward to greet me. > > Platt: I know in your heart you truly want freedom and you fear in great > length because > you care greatly. Your heart is full of love. I thank you from the bottom > of my heart! > > Marsha: You are a strong woman with unbounding care. You have really been > very beautiful > in your approach. I thank you. > > Ron: You are very brave and open-minded. You dived into what many shuttered > and scattered > from out of fear and extreme caution. I charged in here like a raging > buffalo and you met me > with a tender heart that helped ease my fear. If you see it from my > perspective as I think you, > Ron, have been able to. I think you might see my fear and why I have said > bluntly that I think > other people are dangerous. I think it is mainly a huge shift for people and > I did come in here > very strongly in what I feel deeply about - peace. Ron in my running fear > and thus my preconceptual > distrust right off the bat due to how I saw people not understanding me and > dismissing the NAP. > And since the NAP means peace, then can anybody really question my fear and > possible confusion > on why would people reject peace? I am a wild horse at times Ron, but you > are a good hearted > person and I can see trust in your heart through your posts. It helped me > settle down amidst the > barrage of posts bashing me without trying to have discourse on what I meant. > When I say somebody > is a criminal I am merely pointing out an example on the intellectual > exercise of what they are concluding. > It does not mean they want to be a criminal or murderer. I am intellectual > showing the boundaries > of an innocent person who is trying to minimize conflict and somebody that > may not recognize the > boundaries of their actions. Ron thank you for being civil. > > Andre: Your intentions are present, but you seem to not take the time to > figure out what somebody > else means. This is all an intellectual exercise and I am pointing out the > boundaries in human action. > For me to say you are an idiot, murderer, and criminal is a cynic move out of > distrust cause I didn't see > you try to care expect in a few instances. I'm sorry, please don't think > that I'm saying anything outside > of an intellectual exercise. I am merely pointing out boundaries. > > gav: I'm am greatly appreciative of you. I think you were one of the first > to make an attempt to try > to reason with me. You asked questions and saw the questions and answers as > an intellectual discourse. > The topics of justice, crime, and liberty in any law classroom are difficult > for people to handle sometimes. > It might shake them up to look into the eyes of what somebody may never have > peered into before. But > you are well prepared and reasonable. I honor your effort to help bridge the > intellectual discourse. I > Thank You. > > Ian: I think you have a difficult time knowing what an intellectual exercise > is and what is try about life. You > seem beaten like a dog and tired. I wish I could be there in person cause it > wouldn't be so bad to talk about > these things if we saw each others faces. I really wasn't trying to condemn > you. I wasn't doing the run around. > I think a tremendous amount of talking past each other happened. I feel sad > that the conversation became > challenging. It is not everyday that misery is upon our ears. I'm sorry. > > John: I don't know you much but you seem like a fun person. I am so happy > you tried to reason with me too. > You seem like a cool guy to hang out with. > > I really hope I didn't miss anybody else from the discussion. dmb and Krimel > are still assholes for what they said. > They are gloriously arrogant. They are basket cases of mistrust in my > opinion. I feel empathy for them, but I am > also very fearful and do not trust them at all. Their lack of care to reason > makes me wonder how far they would > go if we were actually close by each other physically. > > So thank you for those that have tried to help me feel comfortable and have > taken the time to have a civil discourse. > > > peace > > Nick > > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
