i didn't say what you quoted me as saying. for the record. --- On Tue, 9/6/09, blue-jay maple <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: blue-jay maple <[email protected]> > Subject: [MD] my olive branch effort > To: [email protected] > Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 11:40 AM > Everybody, > > I would like to say that I am feeling more safe with some > of you. Ron, > you helped me feel safe with your very civil discourse and > understanding. > We, meaning anybody, can differ on approaches. We can > disagreed on > government. So be it, but I think it is best to be > honest on how events are. > Sure some people may tolerate the government and may find > safety in > how it works. At least I feel a sense of honor with > that person who can > come out and admit their adherence, but don't try to defend > injustice. I know > that is difficult and it may seem more my personal opinion > for those that > tolerate the government. But I have taken liberty to > the radical extreme in > deduction. At least you know that I am for peace and > I would never IPC > (initiate physical coercion), so, at least people can > surmise that from what I've > discussed. I know I believe in liberty very strongly > and have reasoned it through > to a considered radicalness to some (though I am no more > radical than all those > now and before that took liberty to such extremes). I > can't say I am any better or worse > for what I pursue, but I think you can at least perceive > that my effort is born > of peace (NAP) and that is my effort in life. I don't > think that is bad, I think that is a > good event to strive for - to minimize conflict. So I > offer the olive branch and I know I > have shaken the foundation of what some people > believe. I am trying and my > effort is born of care and fear. Yes fear because of > what I perceive and what that means > in conclusion, and I have feared what some people have said > in this forum. It has > frightened me tremendously. I am fragile. I > just want peace. I am glad I found some > people who have tried to reach out and understand my > peaceful intentions instead of > some others who I see as very dangerous in their irrational > dismissal (Krimel and dmb). > > Arlo: I highly respect your pursuance. I love > how you really feel strongly about something > you believe in. You are a very principled person and > I can see you don't compromise in > what you believe in. I greatly admire that. And > I thank you. > > M K: I am happy you stepped forward to greet me. > > Platt: I know in your heart you truly want freedom > and you fear in great length because > you care greatly. Your heart is full of love. I > thank you from the bottom of my heart! > > Marsha: You are a strong woman with unbounding > care. You have really been very beautiful > in your approach. I thank you. > > Ron: You are very brave and open-minded. You > dived into what many shuttered and scattered > from out of fear and extreme caution. I charged in > here like a raging buffalo and you met me > with a tender heart that helped ease my fear. If you > see it from my perspective as I think you, > Ron, have been able to. I think you might see my fear > and why I have said bluntly that I think > other people are dangerous. I think it is mainly a > huge shift for people and I did come in here > very strongly in what I feel deeply about - peace. > Ron in my running fear and thus my preconceptual > distrust right off the bat due to how I saw people not > understanding me and dismissing the NAP. > And since the NAP means peace, then can anybody really > question my fear and possible confusion > on why would people reject peace? I am a wild horse > at times Ron, but you are a good hearted > person and I can see trust in your heart through your > posts. It helped me settle down amidst the > barrage of posts bashing me without trying to have > discourse on what I meant. When I say somebody > is a criminal I am merely pointing out an example on the > intellectual exercise of what they are concluding. > It does not mean they want to be a criminal or > murderer. I am intellectual showing the boundaries > of an innocent person who is trying to minimize conflict > and somebody that may not recognize the > boundaries of their actions. Ron thank you for being > civil. > > Andre: Your intentions are present, but you seem to > not take the time to figure out what somebody > else means. This is all an intellectual exercise and > I am pointing out the boundaries in human action. > For me to say you are an idiot, murderer, and criminal is a > cynic move out of distrust cause I didn't see > you try to care expect in a few instances. I'm sorry, > please don't think that I'm saying anything outside > of an intellectual exercise. I am merely pointing out > boundaries. > > gav: I'm am greatly appreciative of you. I > think you were one of the first to make an attempt to try > to reason with me. You asked questions and saw the > questions and answers as an intellectual discourse. > The topics of justice, crime, and liberty in any law > classroom are difficult for people to handle > sometimes. > It might shake them up to look into the eyes of what > somebody may never have peered into before. But > you are well prepared and reasonable. I honor your > effort to help bridge the intellectual discourse. I > Thank You. > > Ian: I think you have a difficult time knowing what > an intellectual exercise is and what is try about > life. You > seem beaten like a dog and tired. I wish I could be > there in person cause it wouldn't be so bad to talk about > these things if we saw each others faces. I really > wasn't trying to condemn you. I wasn't doing the run > around. > I think a tremendous amount of talking past each other > happened. I feel sad that the conversation became > challenging. It is not everyday that misery is upon > our ears. I'm sorry. > > John: I don't know you much but you seem like a fun > person. I am so happy you tried to reason with me > too. > You seem like a cool guy to hang out with. > > I really hope I didn't miss anybody else from the > discussion. dmb and Krimel are still assholes for what > they said. > They are gloriously arrogant. They are basket cases > of mistrust in my opinion. I feel empathy for them, > but I am > also very fearful and do not trust them at all. Their > lack of care to reason makes me wonder how far they would > go if we were actually close by each other physically. > > So thank you for those that have tried to help me feel > comfortable and have taken the time to have a civil > discourse. > > > peace > > Nick > > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. 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