Ron, You don't need to appeal to a Creator for natural rights. They are as natural as physics. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "X Acto" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How? > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:26:13 -0700 (PDT) > > > Platt, > "endowed by their creator" do we have a "creator"? > > while I do respect the ideal of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, > you however seem not to, per your previous posts you seem to think > that civil rights is "slouching > toward Gomorrah" and per Bork, the reason why western civilisation > is on the decline. > > how do you plead? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:06:27 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How? > > On 9 Jun 2009 at 12:48, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > > > "Rights", including "property rights", are not "natural", they > > are "intellectual". And as intellectual patterns they derive from > > the culture from whence they came. Socially we craft civil > > governance in accord with our intellectual patterns, to give them > > legitimacy and authority. "Rights" derive from man, not the > > natural world. > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, > that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, > that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That > to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving > their just powers from the consent of the governed." > > -- Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
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