Platt: Yes, but who or what created nature? Ron: Who or what created Quality?
________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 4:56:11 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How? On 9 Jun 2009 at 14:33, blue-jay maple wrote: > Ron, > You don't need to appeal to a Creator for natural rights. They are > as natural as physics. Nick: > > Platt, > > "endowed by their creator" do we have a "creator"? > > > > while I do respect the ideal of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, > > you however seem not to, per your previous posts you seem to think > > that civil rights is "slouching > > toward Gomorrah" and per Bork, the reason why western civilisation > > is on the decline. > > > > how do you plead? > > ________________________________ > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:06:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How? > > > > On 9 Jun 2009 at 12:48, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > > > > > "Rights", including "property rights", are not "natural", they > > > are "intellectual". And as intellectual patterns they derive from > > > the culture from whence they came. Socially we craft civil > > > governance in accord with our intellectual patterns, to give them > > > legitimacy and authority. "Rights" derive from man, not the > > > natural world. > > > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, > > that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, > > that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That > > to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving > > their just powers from the consent of the governed." > > > > -- Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
