At 04:04 PM 6/13/2009, you wrote:
>[Marsha]
>While you are busy patting yourself on the back, I notice many
>peoples (women and children) in the world are starving and dying, and
>many others (men) are fighting and killing each other for power to
>decide on which filters will define "reality".  The whole thing seems
>a failure.
>
>[Krimel]
>Assigning Quality on the basis of gender makes about as much sense to me as
>measuring it via body count. Is that what that makes it easier for you to
>see nothing but failure.

Marsha
I get very few opportunities to find the mother's voice inside of
me.  You may not understand what I am about to suggest, but so be
it.  Do you think women, who has developed and carried in their womb
for nine months, nursed, nurtured and taught a child, or many
children, might assign quality different from a man? Because I tell
you that when I see a mother, even on the television, with a dead and
blood smeared child in her arms, or holding an emaciated starving
baby, I experience great pain.  I suggest to you that women DO assign
quality in a different way than men.

[Krimel]
I was tempted to just dismiss this as whiney crap. But on reflection is
seemed more like stupid whiney craps so I decided to address it. Do women
see things differently than men?
Duh?
Yes!

Do children see things differently than adults?
Do Americans see things differently than the French?
Does they guy over there see things differently that that other guy over
there?

These are stupid questions.
Of course people see things differently.
Everybody assigns Quality differently than everybody else.

Marsha
The type of failure I sighted above is much bigger, and makes puny
the success of the computer or going to the moon.  And that
understanding makes women a superior judge of quality.
[Krimel]
I would think that as a mother you would be grateful for the technology that
helped make sure you and your infant didn't died in childbirth. I do tend to
see that as an improvement more significant than the computer. But I am a
glass half full kind of guy.


Krimel,

The subject was the difference in assigning quality based on gender. You seemed to think it made no difference. I do think it does and decided to say so.

How about all those that do die at childbirth?

"October 15, 2008 - Infant deaths in the United States declined 2 percent in 2006, government researchers reported Wednesday, but the rate still remains well above that of most other industrialized countries and is one of many indicators suggesting that Americans pay more but get less from their health care system. ... "Infant mortality and our comparison with the rest of the world continue to be an embarrassment to the United States," said Grace-Marie Turner, president of the Galen Institute, a conservative research organization."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/health/16infant.html?_r=1



Marsha











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