On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote: > > dmb says: > I think Royce's view on this is different from Pirsig's. In the MOQ, evil > is what happens when lower level static patterns trump higher ones.
And that is still a sticking point with me - the power of the pyramid, the hierarchical explanation of evolution, the new age idea of evolving consciousness. I assert the natural (biological) values as being the most worthy of study and emulation so this "lower level" is actually the highest in my deep ecology book. Also, the writings of Taoism point to nature as the most worthy path and the fiddling with intellect as unnecessary distraction. I don't think evil exists below the social level. I need to think this through, but "evil" is something that occurs in consciousness or not at all. By way of the hardware/software analogy, evil exists solely in the software - like a destructive computer virus. I haven't studied Hegel at all and Royce abandoned him early, so no argument from me there. > In a sense, evil is just what happens when a lower form of good replaces a > higher form of good. Death, marital infidelity, faith-based beliefs are > examples of the degeneration of biological, social and intellectual values > respectively. death is not evil. all beliefs are faith-based marital infidelity is often the highest quality response to a bad situation. The ultimate perfection of the good was conceived as a process that > steamrollered people and nations. It was a kind of theology, where our's is > not to question why but to simply suffer and die. He was a world-class > asshole, if you ask me. > Personally, I tend to agree with Jung about Hegel. He was insane. Reading > and writing about Hegel was one of the worst experiences I ever had. I was > slightly traumatized by it. But based on what I've been able to gather, he > externalized an internal psychological process so that the unfolding of > Spirit or Mind was seen as an almost purely collective, historical process > and that's just too bad for the actual people who suffer. It creates a sort > of indifference to evil and misery. It's so cold and inhuman that it looks > to me like the work of a psychopath. That's the way I view Hindu teachings of nothingness. As I understand it, Pirsig's view that "man is the measure of all things" is > approximately the opposite of Hegel or Royce. David Eherenfeld's The Arrogance of Humanism is another of "those books" that set my thinking along different lines: The Arrogance of Humanism:<http://www.experiencefestival.com/the_arrogance_of_humanism> Man not Measure Of All Things <http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Sacred_Nature/id/5611118> Man is no longer to be the measure of all things, the centre of the universe. He has been measured and found to be an undistinguished bit of matter, different in no essential way from bacteria, stones<http://www.experiencefestival.com/the_arrogance_of_humanism#> and trees. His goals and purposes, his egocentric notions of past, present and future; his faith in his power to predict and through prediction to control his destiny - all these are called into question, considered irrelevant, or deemed trivial.** > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. > > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- ------------ Self is simply Choice, so choose good ------------ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
