Ham & John,

Please totally ignore me if you think you were going to get this anyway.

Thanks,

Marsha



At 02:35 AM 6/13/2009, Ham wrote:

For whom is this "value teaching" of the universe intended? Does it teach the planets, the molecules, the trees, or the genes of living organisms? Simple animals may "learn" from nature. But only human beings can discern value in the design of the universe or create their own morality systems. This is why I agree with Protagoras that "man is the measure of all things" and that the universe is anthropocentric. Evidently you do not.

Greetings Ham,

I am not interested in interrupting the flow of this dialogue, but would like clarification of your use of the term 'anthropocentric'. Here are three interpretations from an online dictionary:

1.      regarding the human being as the central fact of the universe.
2.      assuming human beings to be the final aim and end of the universe.
3. viewing and interpreting everything in terms of human experience and values.

Suddenly 1. & 3. seem obvious (empty, but obvious). To state otherwise would be to have knowledge outside of the human experience. 2. seems strange, though, because of the 'aim and end'. Whose aim and whose end? Since any such definition could only be of human origin, the idea seems circular. Aim and end are like purpose which make them simply a human definition or outside of human knowledge.

Do you understand my puzzlement?



Marsha







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